DUST Search - Why you shouldn't vote for Black Jackal for CSM 8 to be a Dust 514 ambassador.

Iron Wolf Saber wrote:

The Black Jackal wrote:

Iron Wolf Saber wrote:

To Nex.

The problem is that Jackal is nearly incapable of listening. You can't be a good leader if you can't listen at all. The one time the one time he showed up in the IRC channels to talk to the IRC crew and CPM he basically said dust 514's biggest problem is that null sec space in eve has no wars. I tore him a new one on that and he then replies that we're a bunch of separaists which is entirely untrue at all. We just don't want both games to train wreck into each other.

Hans understood our plights much better, because I can see him throwing the controller at the screen just like any one of us could have. He expressed his opinion in a very open and debatable manner, presented well, background well, and fit right in among us.

Overall he's rude, ego-inflated, generates the vibe that dust 514'ers are second class citizens, and what pisses me off more than anything his eve side ideas are absolutely without thought and nearly idiotic, which means he hasn't done enough 0.0 to understand 0.0.

I've done the null sec WARs for 2 years in Eve, though tactics and ships change, I know the issues out there.

First off, I have shown up on the IRC channel multiple times. Secondly, produce exact logs to back up your claim that I said Null Sec was the biggest problem for DUST... I never once said that.

What actually happened, was that I was accosted the moment I got on, and asked about the null sec portion of my candidacy post. I answered, and Iron Wolf Saber came on as I was answering this query. Thus to his view, he believed I was immediately arguing for EVE-side and not DUST. Not once have I ever said Null sec was the biggest issue facing DUST.

And you still have yet to answer my challenge. Pull apart my platform. Tell me why most of the Ideeas WILL NOT work.

And while you're at it. Find me a successful CSM Elected Candidate that ddn't have any kind of platform.

Then why are you not in the shark tank now? You're not even in the public dust 514 channel. Coward.


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The Black Jackal The Southern Legion 302	Posted - 2013.02.15 11:55:00 - [1] - Quote Doesn't remember that 'platform' running is nearly useless in CSM. - I think you'd be hard pressed to find a SINGLE CSM candidate that doesn't run with a platform of some description. Whether it be specific, or broad. Used the word End Game, Eve online doesn't have it, nether should Dust 514. - In reference to End-Game, the term is used loosely and pertains more to player attitudes than actual game mechanics. Some people believe Nullsec Sovereignty is the pinnacle of EVE Online Life, some believe that making a living Mission Running and Salvaging is the pinnacle. It's their opinions that determine their own 'end-game'. Thinks Null Sec is one of Dust 514's largest problems. - This one confuses me, give me a direct quote when I have ever hinted at such a thing. DUST 514s biggest problems, in my opinion, lie in the fact that our communities are so segregated, due alot in part to people like you, who decide that the communities for two different games, no matter how intertwined the mechanics become, should be treated as completely separate games. Thinks you can force players to fight each other. - Never said you could. I merely want to give them more options in how, and give them more reason to do so. If you give someone reason, there is a greater chance they will fight. I never promised to make conflict happen, I want to give reason for it to happen though. Wants to train wreck the integration between the two games before either game is ready for it. - Releasing the game without the integration I want in the community will be wrose than a train wreck. You believe that I want to ruin the integration? How would bringing these communities together at a tempered pace do such a thing? Thinks half of you are going to vote for him. - How many people do you actually know who are able to, and willing to vote, who are not active on these forums? I never said half would vote, I said the community is split in two. Half seeming to believe representation would be good in EVE Online, and half believing that we need our own council. Never said half would 'vote' for me. Thinks you all can vote for him (requires a eve online paying account to vote) - I am well aware that voting requires a 3 month long subscription to EVE Online. That is why, as a part of my platform, I am attempting to give DUST 514 Players a vote in this, or upcoming, CSM elections. Don't you want the right to chose who represents you? Wants Walking in Stations Fiasco again... (this nearly caused 10% of eve to quit for good long story short bad expansion) - If you had listened, at all, to the interview, you'd understand that was quoted as a metaphorical example, not actually literal. I want players from both games to see each other in the same environments. In the same universe, not as two separate games. Is not up to date on Dust 514's biggest problems - I know DUSTs gameplay issues, I know about bugs, imbalance, and exploits. These are big problems, but my goal is long term. Sustaining this game beyond the average lifespan of a normal FPS. So many games are regarded as 'balanced' to a greater extent than DUST 514... where are they? Over the years, a few 'cult' games have survived, but the majority of FPS games have had to be revamped, redesigned, redistributed as sequels, trilogies, variants, all becuase they ended. They had a shelf-life. The communities died, or got killed by stagnation. Gameplay aside, DUSTs biggest threat is from it's community. Is not up to date on the up and coming features of Dust 514. - I know plenty about what is coming. Through various podcasts, discussions with others who have talked to devs. I would have had chances to talk directly to devs themselves via Skype had my timezone been better placed, but I didn't. I had the topics relayed to me, however, and had my ideas relayed to them. Ultra Low Clout Level... Does not socialize at all. - I'm constantly socializing. I clearly don't in your particular circles, or not enough for you to believe, but guess what. I do have a life beyond the Keyboard, beyond EVE and DUST. I have 2 boys, and a partner that require some of my attention. I have a job, supporting me being a part of the games I love.
The Black Jackal The Southern Legion 302	Posted - 2013.02.15 11:56:00 - [2] - Quote Does not understand nor has done any time on patrol in Eve Online causes Intel nets. I spent a long time on patrol for the Northern Coalition. The Intel channels were often flooded too... with [INSERT NAME] nv... [INSERT ANOTHER NAME] nv... This intel is gleaned from local. The ones that give you ship type, heading, etc. They are actual patrols that are out and about, and they should be the ones giving intel. Since that is what they're dedicating their time to doing. Steals other people's ideas... Particularly the community's compromise of using dusters to capture stations. This idea has been around for a while yes... but did anyone actually pitch it to the CSM? Has someone put themselves out there saying 'this is what we can do to get DUST 514 into Nullsecin a meaningful way, as part of a platform running fro CSM? No. All the people who said they'd run... there were multiple candidates, have vanished. Sniping at the current sole runner for the DUST community. Doesn't understand the value of having two separate representatives being healthy for either game as dust 514 players would have lesser ideas on how to fix eve online problems and vice versa. - Having 2 Separate 'Councils' would hurt the integration of the games. DUST would demand one thing of its council and devs, EVE would demand another. You would either have 2 equal councils equal in strength, arguing a case and coming to a compromise that no-one is happy with, or one council will claim and enforce superiority over the other. Ruining the game for the players of that aspect. DUST 514 is an aspect of New Eden. It's not an Add-On to EVE Online, it's a game that shares the Universe CCP has created Now I call upon you to do the same I was asked to do in reverse. Take my Platform. Each and every point, break it down and tell me, and the rest of the community how it WILL NOT benefit EVE Online, or DUST 514 (Policy Specific.) Time to put your money where you mouth is Iron Wolf.
The Black Jackal The Southern Legion 302	Posted - 2013.02.15 12:03:00 - [3] - Quote I encourage everyone to listen to the Interview. Make up your own mind about my platform, EVE Player's opinions, and how I would represent DUST 514.
The Black Jackal The Southern Legion 302	Posted - 2013.02.15 14:18:00 - [4] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: To Nex. The problem is that Jackal is nearly incapable of listening. You can't be a good leader if you can't listen at all. The one time the one time he showed up in the IRC channels to talk to the IRC crew and CPM he basically said dust 514's biggest problem is that null sec space in eve has no wars. I tore him a new one on that and he then replies that we're a bunch of separaists which is entirely untrue at all. We just don't want both games to train wreck into each other. Hans understood our plights much better, because I can see him throwing the controller at the screen just like any one of us could have. He expressed his opinion in a very open and debatable manner, presented well, background well, and fit right in among us. Overall he's rude, ego-inflated, generates the vibe that dust 514'ers are second class citizens, and what pisses me off more than anything his eve side ideas are absolutely without thought and nearly idiotic, which means he hasn't done enough 0.0 to understand 0.0. I've done the null sec WARs for 2 years in Eve, though tactics and ships change, I know the issues out there. First off, I have shown up on the IRC channel multiple times. Secondly, produce exact logs to back up your claim that I said Null Sec was the biggest problem for DUST... I never once said that. What actually happened, was that I was accosted the moment I got on, and asked about the null sec portion of my candidacy post. I answered, and Iron Wolf Saber came on as I was answering this query. Thus to his view, he believed I was immediately arguing for EVE-side and not DUST. Not once have I ever said Null sec was the biggest issue facing DUST. And you still have yet to answer my challenge. Pull apart my platform. Tell me why most of the Ideeas WILL NOT work. And while you're at it. Find me a successful CSM Elected Candidate that ddn't have any kind of platform.
The Black Jackal The Southern Legion 302	Posted - 2013.02.15 14:22:00 - [5] - Quote Fivetimes Infinity wrote: Dust has essentially nothing to do with EVE at this point, and is an incredibly simple game. Dust does not require representation on the CSM. Simple, unfinished games like Dust can be handled very easily by CCP. Anyone who is foolish enough to try and campaign for CSM with the assumption that they'll "represent Dust" is automatically someone you know is unsuitable for the CSM, as they are very clearly lacking in even the most rudimentary understanding of what the CSM is for, and how Dust has no need of representation on it at this time, or perhaps ever. My interviewer, Xander Phoena, members of CSM7 that he, and I have spoken to, and many members of the community have supported A DUST Candidate running for CSM at this stage. Xander, like me, also believes this is the best time to do so. By the end of this next CSM term, DUST will not be such a 'simple game' and will have a much greater impact on New Eden. The CSM is a player-elected advisory board. I know what their role is, I also know that due, greatly in part to CSM7's efforts, The CSM has a much greater role as a Stakeholder than previous CSMs. Discounting them as a simple advisory board from this term onwards is a very backwards view, when we should be looking foerward to what we can do with it.
The Black Jackal The Southern Legion 302	Posted - 2013.02.15 14:23:00 - [6] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: The Black Jackal wrote: Iron Wolf Saber wrote: To Nex. The problem is that Jackal is nearly incapable of listening. You can't be a good leader if you can't listen at all. The one time the one time he showed up in the IRC channels to talk to the IRC crew and CPM he basically said dust 514's biggest problem is that null sec space in eve has no wars. I tore him a new one on that and he then replies that we're a bunch of separaists which is entirely untrue at all. We just don't want both games to train wreck into each other. Hans understood our plights much better, because I can see him throwing the controller at the screen just like any one of us could have. He expressed his opinion in a very open and debatable manner, presented well, background well, and fit right in among us. Overall he's rude, ego-inflated, generates the vibe that dust 514'ers are second class citizens, and what pisses me off more than anything his eve side ideas are absolutely without thought and nearly idiotic, which means he hasn't done enough 0.0 to understand 0.0. I've done the null sec WARs for 2 years in Eve, though tactics and ships change, I know the issues out there. First off, I have shown up on the IRC channel multiple times. Secondly, produce exact logs to back up your claim that I said Null Sec was the biggest problem for DUST... I never once said that. What actually happened, was that I was accosted the moment I got on, and asked about the null sec portion of my candidacy post. I answered, and Iron Wolf Saber came on as I was answering this query. Thus to his view, he believed I was immediately arguing for EVE-side and not DUST. Not once have I ever said Null sec was the biggest issue facing DUST. And you still have yet to answer my challenge. Pull apart my platform. Tell me why most of the Ideeas WILL NOT work. And while you're at it. Find me a successful CSM Elected Candidate that ddn't have any kind of platform. Then why are you not in the shark tank now? You're not even in the public dust 514 channel. Coward. Still not answering my challenges. Take your time. You may even find a flaw or two in my ideas.
The Black Jackal The Southern Legion 302	Posted - 2013.02.15 14:35:00 - [7] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: That sir is a futile exercise as you proven in the past. Hence the inability to listen. Also if you're so good why don't you produce the logs? I am not the one who made the accusations. It lies in the hands of the accuser, not the accused to produce proof. And you have not once actually stated why my ideas, expanded or not, would be bad for the community on any level that gave me no room to rise above it with justifiable arguments.
The Black Jackal The Southern Legion 302	Posted - 2013.02.15 15:29:00 - [8] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: The Black Jackal wrote: Iron Wolf Saber wrote: That sir is a futile exercise as you proven in the past. Hence the inability to listen. Also if you're so good why don't you produce the logs? I am not the one who made the accusations. It lies in the hands of the accuser, not the accused to produce proof. And you have not once actually stated why my ideas, expanded or not, would be bad for the community on any level that gave me no room to rise above it with justifiable arguments. It's your job to keep your record unattackable. Not mine. Failing first rule of intergalactic politics. Go hire a staff. Pretty sure I made mention I'm not a politician. I can't lie worth a damn, and my missus will attest to that. I'm a person who plays EVE, and DUST, and who wants to represent DUST to the CSM and integrate it further into EVE Online. I know about DUST, I know about EVE, I have proven this is multiple forum posts, a few podcast interviews, and podcasts I co-hosted. People say they don't want an EVE player representing them now. With the imminent release of the DUST / EVE Link CSM Winter Summit Minutes... who do you think represented DUST interests in an EVE player exclusive CSM?
The Black Jackal The Southern Legion 302	Posted - 2013.02.16 03:12:00 - [9] - Quote Omnipotent Zitro wrote: Fivetimes Infinity wrote: Dust has essentially nothing to do with EVE at this point, and is an incredibly simple game. Dust does not require representation on the CSM. Simple, unfinished games like Dust can be handled very easily by CCP. Anyone who is foolish enough to try and campaign for CSM with the assumption that they'll "represent Dust" is automatically someone you know is unsuitable for the CSM, as they are very clearly lacking in even the most rudimentary understanding of what the CSM is for, and how Dust has no need of representation on it at this time, or perhaps ever. QFT!!!!! Like seriously guys we are in F'in beta!!!! Like what Fivetimes has said, CSM is for EVE! It should never be about dust because that not what it was meant for. CCP has even stated that it doesn't want any Dust bunny to run for CSM for the exact reason above. Seriously a monkey is a better candidate that you Jackal. All these people running for CSM for dust are so selfish and are only in it for themselves. They don't even know anything about EVE to begin with and hardly know anything about Dust in its self. Playing a game doesn't mean you know the in and outs of everything or anything. Just means you play the game. Seriously all these candidates have been an utter joke! CSM members have SAID and I have quoted this multiple times, that a DUST representative would be USEFUL with the discussions that the CSM have had over the INTEGRATION of DUST into EVE. The Minutes are still pending release, but Hans has himself stated that it was a very hotly debated topic. Those of you who insist on sayign that the CSM should only be for EVE clearly have as little concept for research and lack of commuinication within the community as you accuse me of having. I have even, on a few occasions, quote directly from previous posts, topics, and given references to back up my claims, only to get vehement denials of what has been said as fact. So far, no CCP representative has told me not to run, despite having ample opportunity. CCP didn't want us to have corps pre-release either (as pointed out by my good friend Iron Wolf) butthat happened. Multiple sources from EVE Community believe this would be a good idea at the very least to have 1/14th of the CSM able to represent the DUST 514 Community. DUST 514 is being debated by the current CSM, so your arguments that the CSM is onlt for EVE, are irrelevant. If they ARE discussing something, they are having input to CCP about it. And aaccording to so many previous complaints about the CSM, this is exactly what the DUST community didn't want. EVE players deciding the fate of DUST players. Argue all you want against my candidacy, or my platform. But stop denying that even at this point in time, the community of DUST needs representation on the CSM.